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		<title>Comment on A Critical Analysis of Floridi&#8217;s Theory of Semantic Information by admin</title>
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		<title>Comment on A Critical Analysis of Floridi&#8217;s Theory of Semantic Information by Nick Byrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post. There is not enough about PI on the blogosphere (at least, not that I know of). I enjoy finding some here. If you know of other PI blogs, I hope you will point me in their direction. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post. There is not enough about PI on the blogosphere (at least, not that I know of). I enjoy finding some here. If you know of other PI blogs, I hope you will point me in their direction. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantifying Information to Quantifying Beliefs by What Does CONT() Measure? &#124; The Informational Turn</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Does CONT() Measure? &#124; The Informational Turn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 10:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an earlier post, I mentioned that &#8220;[CONT()] be seen as a measure of semantic content (meaningful, well-formed [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Quantifying Information to Quantifying Knowledge by Quantifying Information to Quantifying Beliefs &#124; The Informational Turn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quantifying Information to Quantifying Beliefs &#124; The Informational Turn</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Natural Information Without Truth by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. Some replies below:

1. You write ``I find their proposal quite appealing but where does that leave a theory of information outside of everyday probability theory?&#039;&#039;

The authors distinguish between `information &lt;em&gt;that p&lt;/em&gt;&#039; and `information &lt;em&gt;about p&lt;/em&gt;&#039;, with their theory dealing with the `information &lt;em&gt;about&lt;/em&gt;&#039; type. Perhaps a theory of information outside of everyday probability theory would deal with the `information &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt;&#039; type.

2. Yes, it would be interesting to see how the proposal in this paper could be applied to the problem of misrepresentation in informational semantics.

3. Signals about analytic truths and nomic necessities would still carry no information. But unlike, say &lt;a href=&quot;http://theinformationalturn.net/philosophy_information/some-offhand-commentary-on-fred-dretskes-knowledge-and-the-flow-of-information/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dretske’s definition&lt;/a&gt;, where use of the variable &lt;em&gt;k&lt;/em&gt; (agent&#039;s background knowledge) is needed to get an account where analytic truths and nomic necessities carry no information, with the new definition given in this paper, no reference to such an extra factor is needed.

This is simply because it is always the case that Pr(&lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; v ~&lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; &#124; &lt;i&gt;s&lt;/i&gt;  is &lt;i&gt;F&lt;/i&gt; ) = Pr(&lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; v ~&lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; &#124; ~ (&lt;i&gt;s&lt;/i&gt;  is &lt;i&gt;F&lt;/i&gt;)); one can never be greater than the other.

4. Analytic truths and identities about nomic necessities can certainly have more than one informational content. There can be different levels of information; on one level something might not give any information but on another level it might.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. Some replies below:</p>
<p>1. You write &#8220;I find their proposal quite appealing but where does that leave a theory of information outside of everyday probability theory?&#8221;</p>
<p>The authors distinguish between `information <em>that p</em>&#8216; and `information <em>about p</em>&#8216;, with their theory dealing with the `information <em>about</em>&#8216; type. Perhaps a theory of information outside of everyday probability theory would deal with the `information <em>that</em>&#8216; type.</p>
<p>2. Yes, it would be interesting to see how the proposal in this paper could be applied to the problem of misrepresentation in informational semantics.</p>
<p>3. Signals about analytic truths and nomic necessities would still carry no information. But unlike, say <a href="http://theinformationalturn.net/philosophy_information/some-offhand-commentary-on-fred-dretskes-knowledge-and-the-flow-of-information/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dretske’s definition</a>, where use of the variable <em>k</em> (agent&#8217;s background knowledge) is needed to get an account where analytic truths and nomic necessities carry no information, with the new definition given in this paper, no reference to such an extra factor is needed.</p>
<p>This is simply because it is always the case that Pr(<i>p</i> v ~<i>p</i> | <i>s</i>  is <i>F</i> ) = Pr(<i>p</i> v ~<i>p</i> | ~ (<i>s</i>  is <i>F</i>)); one can never be greater than the other.</p>
<p>4. Analytic truths and identities about nomic necessities can certainly have more than one informational content. There can be different levels of information; on one level something might not give any information but on another level it might.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Properties of Information Flow by Jacob Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you do not mind my commenting on an older blog post. Regarding non-monotonicity, I think we are indeed in a position where the background conditions for information flow cannot be known, or fully specified, except perhaps within purely mathematical systems. 

Jon Barwise and Jerry Seligman tackle this somewhat in their book. Their solution frames monotonicity as valid when reasoning about normal tokens of a local logic. Barwise has a nice paper: 

Jon Barwise, “State spaces, local logics, and non-monotonicity,” in Logic, language and computation, vol. 2 (Center for the Study of Language and Information, 1999), 1-20, http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=330600.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you do not mind my commenting on an older blog post. Regarding non-monotonicity, I think we are indeed in a position where the background conditions for information flow cannot be known, or fully specified, except perhaps within purely mathematical systems. </p>
<p>Jon Barwise and Jerry Seligman tackle this somewhat in their book. Their solution frames monotonicity as valid when reasoning about normal tokens of a local logic. Barwise has a nice paper: </p>
<p>Jon Barwise, “State spaces, local logics, and non-monotonicity,” in Logic, language and computation, vol. 2 (Center for the Study of Language and Information, 1999), 1-20, <a href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=330600." rel="nofollow">http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=330600.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Natural Information Without Truth by Jacob Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog.

Your suggested general definition looks reasonable to me. I am not sure why the authors did not include it.

I find their proposal quite appealing but where does that leave a theory of information outside of everyday probability theory? I am not familiar enough with the issues to say, so that is a sincere question. 

As for the disjunction problem, by which I mean the problem of misrepresentation in informational semantics, the fact that s can be F but o not be G seems to make that problem less urgent. And it would seem that signals about analytic truths and nomic necessities would still carry no information. That is not necessarily a problem.  
Barwise warned us that the content of utterances like &#039;Londres is London&#039; or &#039;Morning Star=Evening Star&#039;, or even &#039;p v \neg p&#039; each have more than one informational content, and that these might be sources of conflicting intuitions. In the first case, isn&#039;t the information being carried about a relationship between the vehicles themselves, rather than the planet they designate? What is the probability that one string of characters is an alias for the object designated by another string of characters? Surely not unity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog.</p>
<p>Your suggested general definition looks reasonable to me. I am not sure why the authors did not include it.</p>
<p>I find their proposal quite appealing but where does that leave a theory of information outside of everyday probability theory? I am not familiar enough with the issues to say, so that is a sincere question. </p>
<p>As for the disjunction problem, by which I mean the problem of misrepresentation in informational semantics, the fact that s can be F but o not be G seems to make that problem less urgent. And it would seem that signals about analytic truths and nomic necessities would still carry no information. That is not necessarily a problem.<br />
Barwise warned us that the content of utterances like &#8216;Londres is London&#8217; or &#8216;Morning Star=Evening Star&#8217;, or even &#8216;p v \neg p&#8217; each have more than one informational content, and that these might be sources of conflicting intuitions. In the first case, isn&#8217;t the information being carried about a relationship between the vehicles themselves, rather than the planet they designate? What is the probability that one string of characters is an alias for the object designated by another string of characters? Surely not unity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some Offhand Commentary on Fred Dretske&#8217;s Knowledge and the Flow of Information by Natural Information Without Truth &#124; The Informational Turn</title>
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		<title>Comment on An Analysis of Informational Relevance by Jakko Hintikka and Information in Philosophy &#124; The Informational Turn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakko Hintikka and Information in Philosophy &#124; The Informational Turn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 05:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I am currently using Hintikka&#8217;s approach to analysing questions as requests for information in terms of epistemic modal logic for some research on informational relevance. [...]</description>
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		<description>Depends on what type of information one is talking about or how they are talking about it, but information in general is not solely a reducible, anthropomorphic quantity. I am talking here about semantic information. Semantic information quantity is an agent-independent thing. The informativeness or relevance of a piece of information however is an agent-relative thing.

See the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry on &lt;a href=&quot;http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-semantic/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Semantic Conceptions of Information&lt;/a&gt; for more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on what type of information one is talking about or how they are talking about it, but information in general is not solely a reducible, anthropomorphic quantity. I am talking here about semantic information. Semantic information quantity is an agent-independent thing. The informativeness or relevance of a piece of information however is an agent-relative thing.</p>
<p>See the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry on <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-semantic/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Semantic Conceptions of Information</a> for more information.</p>
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